what problem had more intellectual energy dedicated to it in the 20th century?

i think capitalism but the problem is significantly more complicated and the people involved were significantly less coordinated and so it largely washed out

@mutual_ayyde Why do you think capitalism? I was just looking at heat management for one of the rovers yesterday and it's much more advanced than I would have imagined and that's just a tiny thing.

@apodoxus the number of ostensible marxists counted in the millions over the course of the century alone

@mutual_ayyde @apodoxus if you want to count every ostensible Marxist as contributing intellectual energy....the entire US education was overhauled from the ground up to support the space program, so you also need to count every single HS calculus student since Sputnik.

@elfprince13 @mutual_ayyde This is an interesting point... Many who were educated to work on space-related stuff never actually got to work specifically at NASA. They ended up in Silicon Valley and Defense contracting and other stuff. Then there were the large masses which failed out of attempts at it (which there must be some equivalent in the masses of Marxists too.)

Counterpoint though: How big is the US educated population compared to the number of Marxists globally?

@apodoxus @mutual_ayyde ~64.6M HS graduates from 1959-2000, if I'm reading https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d17/tables/dt17_219.10.asp (and using Excel) correctly.

Anyway, the mean, median, and modal contributions are all likely to be very low, but that's true for both populations.

@apodoxus @mutual_ayyde Also, in terms of actual progress - Marxists still don't have an answer to the knowledge and calculation problems, and in some sense this is definitional - anyone who is still a Marxist is likely not taking ECP seriously, and can't really be considered to be contributing intellectual energy.

@elfprince13 @mutual_ayyde This is both moving the goal post and a no true Scottsman fallacy. The question was just who put more thought into it, not who was more successful in their goal. It is not contested that the workers still do not own the means of production (which would be the result if anyone were successful at that.)

@apodoxus @mutual_ayyde I'm still talking about intellectual energy here- if you thought about it really hard and didn't produce any new insights, you might have produced intellectual heat, but you didn't produce any intellectual work.

@elfprince13 @mutual_ayyde Heat and work are forms of energy. Nobody asked who was more successful. You can spend years on a difficult math problem and still fail at solving it. That doesn't mean you didn't spend intellectual energy. Besides, you can't redefine the question *someone else* asked.

@apodoxus @mutual_ayyde my actual hypothesis is that most Marxists actually didn't think about it very hard, or they wouldn't be Marxists anymore.

@elfprince13 @mutual_ayyde Yes, you are transparent and disrespectful, but that is besides the point.