1/ I've been active on Mastodon for over a month now, and a few thoughts about what it's been like. Following M protocol I'll make the rest of this thread Unlisted, so if you are not a follower, you'll need to click on this to see the rest. (Followers, sorry, you get the whole thread in reverse order…)

First off, this is my 6th SN: Usenet, G+, Fb, Quora, Twitter, and M. So I've been through all the stages, and gotten used to picking up and moving home. (I have not quit Twitter entirely.) ↵

2/ Mastodon is the closest I've come to recovering the feeling of the old Usenet. I had forgotten how sweet that felt. (Yes, I realize that people like me are the Eternal September of M, etc.)

But Usenet didn't have a global feed. You had to figure out your different personalities and interests and subscribe accordingly. There was not a lot of adventitiousness. I really like adventitious discovery: my constitution is wired for that. Twitter, of course, has it in spades. But M does, too. ↵

3/ There are three things that I think are truly great about Twitter that may not be reproduced here, and will be a loss.

1. Many of the (in their minds) great and good felt they had to post on Twitter. But they usually couldn't control roomie73 writing a poorly-punctuated, eviscerating take-down response that was half truth, all snark, and all the likes of which we had rarely seen as a global cultural communication phenomenon. It's a thing to behold. ↵

4/ 2. It was a stunningly full of posts that were brilliant, profound, obscene, and all of the above in a way that just made me marvel at the wonders of the human mind. No other SM I have been on had anything like it. Other SMs tend towards the ponderous; Twitter's 280 chars is the home of the hit-and-run. So many of those were written by one-hit-wonders, yet became cultural memes. It has literally changed my language. ↵

5/ 3. It was a great connection to a local community. I slowly realized there were far more people in my area on Twitter, and developed a much better understanding of what was happening around me.

In particular, a ton of great Providence reporters and journalists are on Twitter, and they performed the vital truth-telling that democracy needs. That *can* be reassembled, but it will take time and effort, and it may fragment (whereas Twitter was the clear one-place-for-most). ↵

6/ On the other hand. Every time I go to Twitter now, I'm reminded of JUST HOW MUCH DRAMA it is. The grifters! The posers! The influencers! The hashtaggers! The clout-chasers! The trending! The recommendations!

The signal IS the noise IS the signal. It's like walking into a REALLY LOUD CONCERT. Either you walk right out or you stay long enough and your ears numb as you desensitize. Either way, it's a REALLY LOUD CONCERT. And you know what you do at such a concert? YOU TALK REALLY LOUD TOO. ↵

7/ The most interesting, to me, is that we may witness a new era of SM experimentation. It's been too long since someone tried something new. With Fb wandering off one way and Twitter another, there's a lot of ground that is being ceded. ↵

8/ It will anger some here for me to say I'm intrigued by post.news. (a) I think journalism should get paid (I pay for multiple papers), but the paywall method is nuts. (b) I've sort of followed the long, sordid history of failure of micropayment on the Web. Maybe Post will crack the latter to solve the former. But there are also *so* *many* *things* that can go wrong (as just one example: by analogy, sites like Spotify did something similar for songs, but it's not at all clear *artists* won). ↵

9/ This toot by saying this is very unfair: Post is in its very early days, etc. But I have been lurking on Post in case that becomes the way I end up keeping up with the journos from Twitter. And so far, Post has been…boring. It's like Facebook with a pay button.

I wonder if it's their signup process. "Tell us who you are!" Well, then you just get boring establishment people like me, not roomie73, whose sole claim to fame is "lots of people loved my funky meme reply to <important person>". ↵

10/ So maybe the cool, funny, clever, obnoxious, scathing nobodies that made Twitter fun are on Mastodon, not on Post.

I've spent a lot of time trying to re-find the funky liberal artsy types of my college years. They're innkeepers by day and flamethrowers by night. They live off breakfast cereal and hot takes. They create memes and trends precisely because they aren't trying to—because they can't help it. I'd never get into their club, but I can be on their SM. I want to go where they do! ↵

11/ What I am still getting used to is the nature of the Mastodon feed. It's…not great. Yes, I know, "you are the algorithm", etc. But there are some really basic things that could be better (like aggregating likes). It's definitely rough around the edges.

But, you know, that's okay. The medium is very much part of the message (if you don't believe that, I have one measure for you: 280 characters), but it's not the whole thing. It needs to be just good enough to get the right people. This is. ↵

12/ What I am most excited about is the potential for improvement. I predict that a bunch of ambitious coders and students from systems, HCI, etc. will want to hack on this (I'm intentionally being vague: "this" means protocol, implementations, etc.) so they can write give talks saying "I made Mastodon better".

There's a lot of glory lying around waiting to be picked up. Because it's open source, you really can push your contribution, not just peek in from the outside. ↵

13/ Where I do hope my fellow academics will be responsible is holding the line: no cheapo papers about pseudo-Mastodons or fake-ActivityPubs. Mastodon and ActivityPub aren't a commons to be exploited and depleted. You have to actually have improved the thing you claim. Certainly, if I'm your reviewer or audience member, that's what I'm going to ask you about. ↵

14/ So my optimistic side says maybe something wonderful can happen here. All the right tools are in place. Protocols! Open Source! Federation! Just the things you need for incremental innovation to take hold.

There are still many issues that need to get resolved (managing costs, moderation, scaling, yes — onboarding!, and so on). But have you seen the alternatives? •

@shriramk

Super interesting, thanks for this thread! I was never on Twitter; when it started, I didn't really get the appeal of everything being public, and by the time I did get that (and was fully in Academic Mode of doing tons of stuff in public anyway) I was wary. I had also been off Facebook for a long time: I deleted my account about 5 years ago and hadn't actually logged in for years before that. So it's interesting to read a detailed perspective from someone who's switching social networks rather than mine, as someone coming back after a long absence.[*]

Several years ago I read "So You've Been Publicly Shamed" by Jon Ronson, and that pretty much kept me off Twitter permanently. A large theme of that (super funny, and totally worth reading) book is the extent to which "pile on culture" as perfected by Twitter just destroys nuance and recognition of others' humanity.

I don't think that can't happen here (see: Raspberry Pi's disastrous entrance into the fediverse), but I personally feel a bit more prepared to recognize and not participate in it; to realize that sometimes people just do and say dumb things and that they can learn, and that some people invite the pile-on as a way of getting attention.

Also I stand by my post the other day that the second-biggest social network is the best one. The biggest place attracts some of people's best behavior, but it also encourages some of their worst. So in the same way that I want to live in a city big enough to have a lot of interesting stuff, but not the *biggest* city, I'm pretty happy being on a social network that has a lot of people I find interesting, but maybe not everybody.

[*] though I'm very active in some slack groups, dunno if that counts as a social network.

@ricci @shriramk Also the non-algorithmic spread on Mastodon (and the limitations on spread because of federation) I think is likely (for now at least) to prevent the huge pile-ons that would be encouraged on the birdsite. But it remains to be seen what will happen when Mastodon becomes a lot more popular - I suspect some of the same issues might arise then.

@geomblog @shriramk

Maybe (short term) but, man, this thing was more of my feed than Elon for a couple days: buzzfeednews.com/article/chris

(And to be clear, the pile-on here was kinda deserved, as they often are: but also, not what I'm here for.)

@ricci @geomblog Thanks, Rob, that's a really great take (about the second-biggest SM). The city analogy is also great.

And yes, I was not surprised to see the Pi pileup, and indeed thought, "Okay, here we go!" But I also felt it was a necessary moment for those who had thought—contrary to reason or instinct—that Mastodon would remain some kind of pristine Rivendell. [*]

I guess Slack is a kind of SM? But mostly closed…

[*] NB: Have not read Tolkien, analogy could even be 180° off.

@shriramk @ricci @geomblog there's a whole genre of Rivendell memes about one specific pair of scenes which aligns here pretty well.

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@shriramk @ricci @geomblog Also I suspect you would deeply enjoy the absolutely next-level language/word games in Tolkien's writing, although if you're on the fence about it, starting with one of his short stories (e.g. Farmer Giles of Ham) is probably easier than diving into the Middle Earth legendarium.

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@elfprince13 @ricci @geomblog I secretly know that once I start I will totally get sucked in, which is why I'm not starting.

Also, right now, I have Hilary Mantel's Wolf Hall trilogy to keep me busy over winter break.

@shriramk @ricci @geomblog
FWIW, The Hobbit is much shorter, and tells a self-contained story that works independently of the LOTR. Also a great family read-aloud story to share with the kid if that's something you do. There's a 60 year time jump and a big tonal shift to LOTR (and that's the real rabbit hole as it was written as one ~1000 page novel that the publisher insisted on splitting up to avoid scaring off readers)

@shriramk @ricci @geomblog I've been working on Naomi Novik's 9-book Temeraire series on audio right now during my commutes and I've never encountered media so optimally tuned to the interests of someone who enjoys both Anne McCaffrey and C.S. Forester. Keep finding myself sitting in the car after parking to finish chapters...

@elfprince13 @ricci @geomblog
Oh, I thought they're all the same thing.

Also, that kid in the LoTR movies now reminds me of SBF. If "Alameda Capital" had been given some kind of elvish name instead, the link would have been complete. I would be surprised if there isn't some EA connection to LoTR.

@ricci @geomblog @shriramk JRR would be spinning in his grave if he knew he had 2 military/industrial complex corps named after his writing…

@shriramk @ricci @geomblog I am extremely salty about SBF's misdeeds tainting the look (literally some lady at church a couple weeks ago told me I looked like SBF 😭), after a good 20 year run since the LOTR cast normalized white boys with long curly hair.

@shriramk @ricci @geomblog Anyway to your remark about "I thought they're all the same thing", ignoring Tolkien's non-Middle Earth output (mostly short stories, poetry, and scholarly translations), there are basically 4 tiers of rabbit hole

@shriramk @ricci @geomblog
- The Hobbit (~350 pages / 1 volume, light fairy tale/adventure vibe)
- The Lord of the Rings (~1000 pages / 3 volumes, more mature/philosophical story with a strong anti-fascist/anti-war/anti-industrialism vibe)
- The Silmarillion (~700 pages /1 volume, vibe oscillates between an ancient epic and a mythology textbook)
- The History of Middle Earth (~5000 pages/12 volumes, extremely technical academic material on the development of the other material)

@shriramk @ricci @geomblog All 4 tiers pretty much stand on their own, and the stories are independent enough / tonal shifts are abrupt enough that you won't get sucked between them by accident.

@elfprince13 @ricci @geomblog
Wait: fascist war industry companies are named after "anti-fascist/anti-war/anti-industrialism" material? I assume some humanities grad student has written at least a master's thesis about this discrepancy.

@shriramk @ricci @geomblog It's irony in the same vein as self-proclaimed Star Trek fans complaining about new installments being ruined by getting "political" and/or "overly woke". My dad has written a whole book on Tolkien's moral/ethical framework (and another on his environmental framework), although it predates these two particular companies being in the media cycle

@shriramk @ricci @geomblog It's not even particularly subtle or subtextual. The second-to-last chapter in LOTR (which gets cut from film adaptations for "not being exciting enough" or whatever), is arguably the most important in the whole book, and, without being too spoilery, is also pretty explicitly anti-cop.

@elfprince13 @shriramk @geomblog

I just want to inform y'all that thanks to this thread, I am going to start reading The Hobbit to my kid tonight.

I bet that's not where you thought this was all going when you started this thread, @shriramk

@ricci @elfprince13 @geomblog
Most assuredly not. Social media continue to surprise, delight, and confuse.

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